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Joan Jett? Chrissie Hynde? (Both are kick ass rock 'n roll brunettes :D) This is FABULOUS, Emi!

No idea who it is but its a great drawing. She is showing us some serious 'tude!
Sort of reminded me that we haven't seen Vere for a while. Ahh well, people come and go.

This is such a great drawing Emi! :D I love how she comes out from the black background and how the different colors define her musculature and show the highlights, even in her hair! Awesome, awesome draw! :D I have no idea who it is, but it looks great! :D

Loving this one...no clue who it is, but whoever she is you have done a fine job on her. I love it! Everything about it.

"Wow"!! This is really "awesome"! I have no idea who she might be....but it's a great draw!!!

So powerful - it "leaps off the page!" I think Joan Jett...

I Loveeee rock and roll put another dime in the jukebox babyyyy...Me, too. And I love this painting! awesome job, emi. :)

not Joan :) maybe you need a clue... erm... She played in a trio formed with Steve Vaughan and Rob Ellis... Now she continues as a solo artist :)
Ty for the nice comments :D

very cool draw,well done ! :)
And for answer :)
http://electricityandlust.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/pj-harvey.jpg

Cool rendition of the pic that Wally linked us to. Still none the wiser though!

WOOhoo bravo Wally ! c'est ton tour maintenant ! :D
and for all : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=48GIaN7SrGU
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=8A83JorcLaU

fantastic vibrant- ces't Manifique!

merci ;)

Wow, what a great likeness~! Bravo, Wally.. :)

It's my turn ?
Argh!! I didn't know...
Like an idiot,I didn't read the front page :p
(si j'avais su,j'aurais rien dit)
Ok I will try :p

A fantastic likeness, Emi! Even better than the original ;)

Wow, what a great pic...this is amazing!

very good draw emi

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King.....Louis XIV? Fabulous style - so much fun, Emi!:)

I can't keep all those Louis's straight! I love his stern, pompous look, though!

Magnifique!!! The jowls! The boozy complexion! The ringlets! It's wonderful!!!! And that pompous SNEER. Wow, great job, Emi.

haha..that's a great portrait, emi!

Oh, he is wonderful. He must be one of those kings from way back then. Is it one of the Louis or Henry the 8???? I have no clue.

"Wow"!! This one is really awesome!! I love how you did this! Great job!! :D

I don't know if this is Louis XIV, but it is a fabulous draw . He looks like a man of over indulgences. Not a happy looking fella either.

YAY ptrice :D lol
I had fun drawing him ;) lol thanks glad you had fun too ;) haha

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This actually looks like a photograph. I don't know who he is, but he's one handsome man! Well done on the artwork Grace. Incredibly well done.

gorgeous man. I dated a man that looked quite a bit like this person back in the 70's. I do not know who this is though. The detail in the sweater is impecable.

maybe.

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Delightful! I adore this and her amazing body. To me this is the perfect body type and with all of the curves and softness there is such a sex appeal. I love that sultry look in her eyes.

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http://www.peterlorrebook.com/img/dustjacket.jpg

I am thinking Al Pachino...in Scarface.

Im thinking James Dean :) but im probably wrong :) what a nice painting !!! the light is awesome :)

Peter Lorre? Man of Horror!

Great looking style of painting this, gillie! Like the loose strokes.

Yes Kute. But not sure of the movie. I took it from the cover of a book about Peter called "The Lost One A Life Of Peter Lorre" I loved watching these old horror flicks with these old actors. PS Kute, your link did not work, said something like it does not allow linkage. wierd, so i added a link up top.

Great draw gillie. As soon as I saw Kutie said Peter Lorre, I knew she was correct. I too had the same message from K's link.

WOW. I love the old movies too, Gillie ... they had style; like this draw, actually!

Love the painting style in this, Gillie. Does look a bit like Pacino, eh? My fav Lorre films are Arsenic and Old Lace, Casa Blanca and The Beast With Five Fingers. Brrrrr. I watched that one through a hole in a blanket when I was supposed to be asleep. I was about 5 years old and still get the creeps, thinking of it. When I saw it, in 1956, it was already 10 years old.

"WOW"!!! This is really awesome!!! Peter Lorre has very strange looking eyes. He was one of my favorite actors in the old "horror" movies. A really fantastic job!!! :)

We had PL before but this picture is from his earlier days. We usually associate him with being a chubby, balding, scary looking chap with bulging eyes. Great work here. A very moody picture of him.

Wow, love those tones and volumes - such good work! & don't forget the Fritz Lang film "M."

Here it is again....&quot"Wow"&quot!! What is up with that?? Somebody please tell me why that &quot stuff is on some of my comments. :(

sparky...you are not typing that stuff in? wierd.

No qtgillie....I'm not typing the words "&quote" in my
comments. I don't know how they are getting typed in there. "Very strange indeed"!! "LOL"!! :O

Had fun experimenting with this...mixed up too many styles probably. Used a ref but loosely. An attempt at drawing a reflection between the viewer and the subject. Not quite sure it works but oh well. The skin texture..trying to make her look like someone who is very freckled without actually drawing freckles.

The refection works. I saw it right away. Your faces always have such strong features in them, very defined. Her hair is amazing. Well, it all is, but those fine strands of hair,, I have seen you do before and I seem to always look for a long time at them. ha. *must try*

This is very nice Grace. I like the freckle efect and the reflection works for me also. I have not been here for a very long time, it looks like you have been quite busy with your extra-ordinary work. It is such a pleasure to look at.

Suntan @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 4:49 PM [Edit]
If this can be moved to CC, I would like to start that. I tried a few time in there, but nothing was coming and this time it did....over 2 hours worth, DID! unheard of! :)

This is what my untrained eye sees after posting.
~eyes are too big
~eyes too close together?
~eyes are unnatural green
~eyes gazing in same direction?
~her left nostril too small
~not enough definition in the lips
~shading on the bottom jaw line jagged<--but I DID call it Smudged! haha;P)

Other than that I like it! lol! unheard of! ;p

TheManInWhite @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 5:13 PM [Edit] [Delete]
I dont think this belongs in CC at all...I think it looks great! The shine in her eyes is great, and the little bit of light reflected on her nose is good too. And the patterning on her collar is a nice touch. I think I saw this unfinished, and i believe the corners of the mouth are slightly different from that version, not exactly upturned, but not as downturned ;) I think you did a great job on it Sun! :D

Oh brother...Do I need to pull a "Xina54" on you Sun, and challenge you to list what you like about it???? ;) Don't make me dare you! ;)

(Edited on July 8, 2008, 5:16 pm)
Suntan @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 5:17 PM [Edit] [Delete]
Well, thanks very much! I've been wanting to get in there though. Like i said I tried a few times and it just wasn't working so now that something came out, I would like to get better at this...and this one is all mine which is all the more reason to get in there. Not knowing what I'm doing really..has always left me wondering what the next step should be for it to look more finished and/or polished.

**LOL! ..i said i like everything elseee! which is unlike me! ><

(Edited on July 8, 2008, 5:18 pm)
emigre @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 5:19 PM [Edit] [Delete]
Oh i think its a very good job : first i dont think anyone is perfectly symetrical lol :) i like the hair and the light on her nose makes me think about she is in the traffic, in a car, after a long evening out, going back home :) but her eyes are still alive :) i like it thats all : nothing is wrong there to me :)
Suntan @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 5:25 PM [Edit] [Delete]
You're right, emi. No one is perfect and for that reason, she could stay the way she is..but I want to know what mistakes in anatomy and painting anatomy that I have made.

Thanks very much! I wanted her to be a clown, semi-tragic, perhaps, and finished for the night. That's one of the reasons her make up is smudged. :)
qtgillie @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 7:23 PM [Edit] [Delete]
I will not CC this, you have already done it all Sunny. What do you need us for anyway? I do like this. Not sure why, but I thought most of your draws were origional. The clownish look here is great. The two things that do stand out for me are that the eyes are off of the same plane (look at where the two eyes come together on each side of the nose. Her left one is higher than the her right one. And, as you already stated, the nostrils are a bit off. I like the saturated painterly style on this.
Meno @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 8:17 PM [Edit] [Delete]
The Tears of a Clown
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(Smokey Robinson & The Miracles)
Now if there's a smile on my face,
it's only there tryin' to fool the public,
but when it comes down to foolin' you;
Now honey, that's quite a different subject.
But don't let my glad expression
give you the wrong impression.
Really I'm sad.
I'm sadder than sad.
You're gone and I'm hurtin' so bad.
Like a clown I pretend to be glad.
(chorus)
Now there's some sad things known to man,
but ain't too much sadder than
the tears of a clown
when there's no one around.
Now if I appear to be carefree,
it's only to camouflage my sadness.
In order to keep my pride I try
to cover the hurt with a show of gladness.
But don't let my show convince you
that I've been happy since you
decided to go.
Oh, I need you so.
I'm hurt and I want you to know.
(chorus)
Just like Pagliacci did,
I try to keep my sadness hid.
(aaargh! I can't remember! It'll come to me and I'll send it along.)
But in my lonely room I cry
the tears of a clown
when there's no one around.

http://www.lyricz.net/m/miracles/75948
(As requested, Ms. Sun)



(Edited on July 8, 2008, 9:44 pm)
Suntan @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 8:29 PM [Edit] [Delete]
Gillie, thank you!..My art is my own unless otherwise credited to the original artist. Even if I don't know their name, I mention it. ...and I need you who are so much better to help. Me and others. I listed what I saw and believe me, that is growth in itself. But I know there must be more! I wasn't always able to see those things, but I knew I didn't like what I saw. I also find it very hard to sit for any length of time and draw. I want it done NOW..u know what I mean. So, i need help to try and get better and hopefully with time, less frustrating. I hope that answers your question. :)

* i see exactly what you are talking about with her eyes..i think i put that one higher because her head is slightly tilted. Do you think each eye is looking in the same direction? That always bothers me.
Suntan @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 8:31 PM [Edit] [Delete]
Thank you, Meno. Do you have a link?
REECREATIVEDESIGNS @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 8:53 PM [Edit] [Delete]
Suntan, your a very fine artist. I like this, love the red on the nose. If I'm being honest...the only thing that sticks out for me is the eyes. The one is not in line with the other, being higher and they seem too far apart. That is the only thing that sticks out for me. The height of them not being uniform. Since you wanted it in cc, that is my opinion. I'm not perfect with my draws and far from it and I don't think most of us are. It is what makes our work original to our own with or without a ref. pic.

I really like the dark blk around the eyes coming down on to her cheeks and the red nose, skin coloring and all else here. This is a great drawing so don't beat yourself up too badly. Love your work here!
Suntan @ Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 9:26 PM [Edit] [Delete]
No, REE, I'm not beating myself up on this one. I've been thinking about doing a drawing for the CC studio, but when I tried it just didn't flow and with this one it did. So I was hoping to get it moved, if that is possible for the Admins here to do.
So I thank you for the cc! It's good to get honest opinions, which is the point of that studio/and or asking for cc. You and Gillie have pointed out the eyes to me, so maybe it is something I really need to look at again. You see how it is fun to learn this stuff. I never picked that up because I thought I tilted the head enough. Again, something I need to think about more. Thanks, too, for pointing out the distance between them. I was thinking they are too close, but they do look far apart. I don't know which it is. I had learned that an eye space should be between them. Maybe it's the size of them that is wrong. Another thing I need to finalize and learn. A good constant reminder, like coming back to read this, will hopefully help me remember for next time. Thanks, REE!

qtgillie @ Wednesday, July 9th 2008, 1:06 AM [Edit] [Delete] yes, I think they are looking the same way. I always have trouble with tilted heads....always, always. AND I usually put the eyes at different heights just like this one. I think that is why I noticed it, because I always do the same thing. I am trying to get in the habit of drawing a line where I am going to put the eyes, nose and mouth which I saw Luthien do a lot and I think it helps me. I will do a quicky sketch in ONE so you can see what I mean.Keep up the fantastic work!!! PS...I use my children quite often as sounding boards. They are pretty critical and can see things that I am having trouble seeing. They have helped me also.

Congrats on having the first drawing in CC, Suntan! I think one thing we all need to do when we post here is try to make it clear what we are trying to accomplish and where we feel we need the feedback of other's knowledge and perspective to help us achieve that. I think you are asking for help to make this face more accurate in a realistic sense. I can help you with that, if that's what you want to work on. I don't quite understand why so many new members here jump to the conclusion that wanting to improve your skills and abilities is necessarily a negative attitude. If it's not possible to discuss our own work and that of others in a positive, respectful and helpful manner, then I may as well give up. It's the primary reason I've created this place and I feel like the prevailing defensive, protective, fearful attitude is working against learning and improving and growing as artists. Actually, I do understand the attitude as I have been terribly crushed by thoughtless or mean spirited comments on my work. But I also believe we can avoid that here if we try. As I've always told you, Sunnytoes, I think your work has an astonishing amount of personal style and expression; more so than many other artists who have more technical skill, so I am reluctant to 'mess' with that. I guess I have a little worry that if your style becomes too polished it will lose some of it's very unique quality. To me, this face has so much character; she looks like maybe she's had her nose broken and it makes you wonder...car wreck? bar brawl? accidentally hit in the face with a stage prop? Her eyes are very wide-set, the opposite of too close together and they focus slightly to the outside of center...but neither so much that I can't think of two of three people I know with the same kind of eyes. In proportion to her other features, the eyes are quite large; something many artists do intentionally in order to give the eyes exaggerated prominence, but it does tend to push the image over into the realm of caricature and away from realism--not necessarily a bad thing. You've drawn all the features on the same slant, which is quite an achievement! I find that difficult. However, the base of her nose is not between her eyes. If you draw an imaginary line from a spot between and at a right angle to the base of the nose you will see that the center of the nose, the mouth and the chin have all drifted off center to the left. The shading to define the bridge of the nose is vertical rather than slanted with the rest of the features. Also, the nostril on the left is quite a bit larger than the one on the right, but as Emi and George have both said, symmetry rarely exists in real faces. This is more personal preference than anatomical correctness, but I feel her upper lip is a bit too short (the space between the top of her lip and the base of her nose). That feature, as well as the huge eyes tends to give a face a baby doll appearance or what's known as neoteny. Again, this is something many artists exaggerate intentionally. I'm in love with those watercoloury shadows on and under her chin and the suggestion of her Pierrot collar. The colours of the skin around the chin area are exquisite. This makes me think of Colette and also Greta Garbo. P.S. I am aiming for impressionism with a drawing I'm working on, so I hope you'll help me out with it. I've always had this old fashioned notion that before you can venture off into abstract expressionism or any other 'style' you should be able to draw with flawless accuracy. But, then again, I think I will probably die of old age before that happens and I will never have found my personal 'style'. I guess I sort of have one, but it feels accidental to me.

Grace says so well what I have been struggling to find words to tell you "...your work has an astonishing amount of personal style and expression; more so than many other artists who have more technical skill, so I am reluctant to 'mess' with that. I guess I have a little worry that if your style becomes too polished it will lose some of it's very unique quality."

As far as this piece, very impressive modeled mouth but maybe because of the eyes looks more like a clown doll more than a human clown. I will say I've seen many things of yours that are very polished looking, but now you are getting color down?

I found a great site with video tutorials for drawing the head: http://www.drawingcoach.com/drawing-portraits.html Hope it helps.

Wow..wooo, much thanks, Grace! I completely missed the vertical shading on the bridge AND the shift of the nose, mouth and chin over to the shaded side of her face! I can see what a difference sliding them to the right (our right)would make. Thank you! Also, the shortness between nose and lip, which on this, now I can see would make her chin seem large or long. In shi, I'm always moving the chin to shorted it!
The eyes, the eyes!...the size always bugs me. I do the same thing on paper..and I'm always unsatisfied because all my faces DO have a baby doll sort of look to them which I always wanted to know WHY and don't always want!

Thanks for the really very nice words about my work. You know the struggle I have with it and I know you've told me before. I want to believe it but I just have a hard time doing it...hopefully I am gaining on that, though.

This studio is going to be a great help. I hope everyone takes advantage of it from time to time with whatever they may be struggling with in whatever form of art they are doing. I also hope, that everyone will feel like they can have input, too. I am self taught (aside from what I learn here and pick brains of artists I know) and I am always afraid to tell or point out something to other artists because "I don't really know." Now I will say what I see and then someone can come along and either agree or correct me. Learning is a great thing. ;P

Thank you, joyce. You have been a wonderful encouraging support for so long. It's a great feeling to have people believe in you and I really appreciate it. :)

This looks great Suntan! Her eyes aren't at all too close together. The eyes are meant to be one eye width apart from each other so I think if anything they may be too far apart. I actually love the colour of her eyes, it contrasts nicely with the hair, nose and lips. I enjoy this entire drawing though, she looks a bit like a mysterious clown or something. Very nice lighting and skin colours as well! =)

I've been thinking about how I respond to CC and I'm going to try to write what I came up with in the hope that it may be useful to others in gauging how to feel when they receive it here. I have three basic responses to respectful CC that's offered in a helpful spirit: (if anyone else has different ones, maybe discussing those would also be helpful?) 1. I know and respect the person who offers the CC. I think they know my work well enough to have an idea of what I'm trying to accomplish and I believe they know what they're talking about so my intention will be to pay close attention to their advice, try to see and understand their points and keep working on the piece, using the suggestions they've given me to improve it. Sometimes I may decide to just absorb the new knowledge and use it in future work, rather than spend time continuing to work on the piece in question. (this would be the best case CC scenario for me.) 2. I've been working on something a long time, put a huge amount of effort into it and feel fairly or very pleased with it. At that point, any CC is not going to feel very welcome, no matter who offers it. I will either make a mental note to come back after I've had a chance to distance myself from the piece, emotionally and visually, to see if I can find merit in the CC that was offered or I will make the decision to move on. Sometimes it may take months in order for me to come back, see the need for correction and then be able to work on it again. (I suspect this is a fairly common response to CC) 3. I do not believe that an opinion is correct, in which case I will try to respectfully listen, thank the person for their input and make the decision to take no action in regard to making changes to my work. Or, the person offering the CC has given it in a thoughtless or disrespectful manner, so I will hopefully just be able to ignore them and not respond in kind. The thing, which George so eloquently says in Gillie's post above, is that ALL of this is personal opinion. As such we can chose to make use of another's view point or we can choose to consider and reject it. What I don't ever want to see here is inappropriate comments such as "That looks like shit." or "You sure work slow.", etc. If you're going to comment, always think carefully about what you want to say and phrase it in a way that you hope will be HELPFUL.

I respond by twisting there nipple really hard!

Hmmmm. I've often wished I could use the ear pliers on certain ...OH! Did I say that outloud?

Oh lordy! I am eloquent? Why thank you kind Grace. I will definitely be your tour guide now. I don't see you having any problems in CC, I don't think that the people here are of that nature. As I commented somewhere else, it will be an enter if you want to studio. If you choose to draw there you are asking advice and will readily accept it. The key word being CONSTRUCTIVE.

hahah...you know i completely forgot to say to you, Grace, that I lamo at the '"broken nose" or brawl comment. It does look a bit bloody! That was hilarious. LOL!

You know, you're right about how to handle the cc, Grace. I was seriously fatigued by it all! lol, sounds funny, but it was a lot to take in.

At first, I thought I would want to try and do everything that was suggested to the piece, but I can see exactly what you mean by stepping back and letting it all sink in. IT can feel overwhelming when you begin to seriously read it all. (which I've done a hundred times by now haha) I'm not sure if I will ever do any corrections on this piece or just keep coming back to it for helpful reminders when I do a new one. cc is a weird and wonderful thing. First time for everything! ;)

(Edited on July 10, 2008, 7:00 am)

Looks like a female clown :P Ive not read the comments so its probobly already been said lol i liek it though sunny :P

But flubbs...thank you..but this is cc. what about it you see could be better on it. <---i do speak english from time to time, i have no idea what language that is. haha ;p

lol, Bwaak, bwaak, bwaaak! ;p ....i thought it as a joke and in good humor, flub ;p

WOW this is amazing i love it

Hi ween,
it's been so long since I've seen this..it's weird looking at it. It's weird anyway. haha. ><

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looks great, gandalf..JFK?

Great draw ... but ????

JFK seems like a very good possibility...

Nice looking guy.....but I can't figure out who he might be??

Alec Baldwin?

Yes it's the young JFK, well done Suntan.

Wow, How old is he here gandaff? It is a beautiful draw.

Knew it was JFK, just from the thumbnail ... well done!

Wow what a great portrait :) JFK ? i know only older JFK :)
Fabulous look :)

beautiful. I always love your B&W sketches.